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Except that they did find 757 wreckage, and they also released video of the plane hitting the building.

I'm not surprised that people think it was a missile, though.  It makes perfect sense that we would blow up our own buildings.  It makes even more sense that Arab terrorists would claim responsibility, just to be rounded up and summarily executed for something they didn't do.
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Yeah but it shows it on that video and it doesn't look like a plane at all
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Looks like a 757 moving at 530 MPH.
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2 feet off the ground? With an amateur pilot in control?
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Planes arent that hard to fly, chief.
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So your saying that you could comfortably fly a 757 2 feet off the ground at 530mph?
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First off, that thing was more like 20 feet off the ground, and yes, i do think i could.
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by Yanker at 12th Jun 12:49pm

First off, that thing was more like 20 feet off the ground, and yes, i do think i could.



Officially it was 2 feet aparently. Also there is no way even a professional commercial pilot could fly a 757 that low at those speeds, so you wouldn't have a hope in hell.
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Went to the Cosford air show yesterday, I learnt alot, a plane would have no problem going near the ground at 20 feet.
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He didnt fly it at 2 feet off the ground all the way from the airport...

he crashed into the building when it was 2 feet of the ground... i.e. aimed for the building........

There are shitloads of conspiracys about 9/11 out at the moment, but most are just pure bs.

Amateur pilot? he had something like 10 airplane lessons, with him driving the plane all the time, plus the co-pilot (did you notice that they didnt include how well he could fly? )

They take random piece's of facts, then make up new facts.

Lets take.. erm.. for example... the grass...

"Here are some pictures of how the ground gets fked up when a plane crashes into it..."

"now, take those pictures of where the planes crashed INTO THE ground... and look, when the plane crashed into the pentagon (AND DIDNT hit the ground) the ground isnt damaged...."

lol, random facts.




The only real thing you have to think about, is why would they bother faking an attack on the pentagon, when that wasnt the main reason why america retaliated... The main event that day was the Twin Towers, not the Pentagon.. So there was zero need to fake a pentagon crash...

Also, when they show you the small hole on the other side of the pentagon, im not sure, but i'd take a guess that if it was a missle, missiles blow up on impact dont they? they dont just fly through walls making an impact mark but not exploding....

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Theres a conspiracy theory on everything, people just find it hard to believe that the goverment might actually just tell the truth, which is a shame.
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Yeah. Another bit was "There wasn't much wreckage visible from Flight 93 which crashed in the Pennsylvania countryside."

At first I was like "Yeah, that IS true, but then I stumbled upon the realization that most of the plane would be embedded 3-4 feet underground from that kind of impact.

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Warblog: A blog that primarily deals with war. Filled with whiny blow hards who are fixated on their stubborn ideas and conspiracy theories. For example, there are countless hours pissed away by conspiracy theorists who think the WTC towers were demolished by bombs planted by the government. These armchair engineers write endlessly about how the physics of the collapse was impossible, how the temperature wasn't hot enough to melt steel, and how the planes were carrying missiles. Of course, the one thing they don't postulate is a REASON.

My personal favorite warblog was one that had a flash animation with people who were quoted as saying "it didn't sound like a plane to me... it sounded like a missile." Thank you Joe Nobody for giving me your expert opinion on what missile sounds like, because gas station superintendents are usually the best people to ask about the sonic signature of ballistic missile thrust.

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lol point taken. You just cant argue with maddox really.

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bastard, where you get that from
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amazon, its been up for preorder for ages, gaz has it too

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Got it ordered on play, prolly wont arrive for another 20 days.
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I ordered from amazon.com to get it on the US publication date  
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bah, canceled my amazon cause it was like half the price on play.com
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Yeah but would you rather have it now or later?
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I can wait, its only a book.

Care to give us a quick review?
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i can wait
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dont under-estimate the power of war, war = big buisness. and say those comapnys that manufacture arms are giving someone at the top a nice back hander. why not blow up some of the pentagon. but you say its all conspiracy.

maddox is as funny... its like dictionary each letter has a word attached to it (a is ass kicking) then he rants about it for a few pages like the posts on his webite. its maddox's website in book form, absolutly awesome...

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Care to give us a quick review?



Does it really require a review? You know it will be awesome anyway!
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The other question you're probably wondering is "what does maddox know about manliness?" To answer your question, i wold refer you to the hair on my knuckles. And the hair on my back. i didn't wear a shirt fo an entire month one time an nobody noticed.

Contrary to popular belief and empirical evidence, every male child is born with an errection. While nobody knows what causes this phenomenon, there are some theories: some men get wood when they see naked women, while others-- like me- sprout a big rubbery one whilst watching chicks fight. in fact, i saw, just the other day i saw some chick getting kicked in the crotch by another chick. it was the hottest thing i had ever seen, and before i knew it: bam! i popped a giant, life-threattening boner, with which i could easily crush a woman or bludgeon a small child.



random exceprts from the book, and it just keeps getting better...
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by gazzz at 12th Jun 8:22pm

dont under-estimate the power of war, war = big buisness. and say those comapnys that manufacture arms are giving someone at the top a nice back hander. why not blow up some of the pentagon. but you say its all conspiracy.

maddox is as funny... its like dictionary each letter has a word attached to it (a is ass kicking) then he rants about it for a few pages like the posts on his webite. its maddox's website in book form, absolutly awesome...

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I seriously doubt that the arms companies, which are intensely, intensely government regulated, would be able to hit the pentagon with a missile.  Plus, I doubt theyd be able to keep it a secret.
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many projects have been kept secret for a long time, just look at the 'black' projects they had in aviation. sr71, b2, f117 all highly classified but now they are common knowledge and they were being developed many many years before we knew about them publically. war is the best driver of an econenemy.

i was watching something about fifa the other day which proved the whole point:

the chairman of fifa was getting bribed along with many others top level officals to give all the main tv contratcs  etc to this one compant which was owned in part by him. now to keep him in power he'd bribed another officia who cntroled the votes for an area of votes, which on vote day got him elected, the pres is a compltete twat so how has he been n power so long, because without fail he gets and overwhelming majority from this guy's area whom he's paid.

it does work, and there's some powerful people hehind the scenes who can do these things. as for flying a commercial airline at such low altitudes, even the blue angels fly at 10m and they've been flying for many many years. also the size of the hole in the pentagon was much smaller that the wingspan of t 757 jet. one further point, why atfer sept 11 did officials confiscate the video tape taken from a petrol station which had a camera facing the building. it was never retruend and never relesased until a good few years after. enough time to shop it eh?
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by gazzz at 13th Jun 12:09pm

many projects have been kept secret for a long time, just look at the 'black' projects they had in aviation. sr71, b2, f117 all highly classified but now they are common knowledge and they were being developed many many years before we knew about them publically. war is the best driver of an econenemy.

i was watching something about fifa the other day which proved the whole point:

the chairman of fifa was getting bribed along with many others top level officals to give all the main tv contratcs  etc to this one compant which was owned in part by him. now to keep him in power he'd bribed another officia who cntroled the votes for an area of votes, which on vote day got him elected, the pres is a compltete twat so how has he been n power so long, because without fail he gets and overwhelming majority from this guy's area whom he's paid.

it does work, and there's some powerful people hehind the scenes who can do these things. as for flying a commercial airline at such low altitudes, even the blue angels fly at 10m and they've been flying for many many years. also the size of the hole in the pentagon was much smaller that the wingspan of t 757 jet. one further point, why atfer sept 11 did officials confiscate the video tape taken from a petrol station which had a camera facing the building. it was never retruend and never relesased until a good few years after. enough time to shop it eh?



Keeping a project secret from the public is very different than keeping a secret from government agents, the likes of which are constantly present at the factories and offices of weapons manufacturers.  Bribing people to vote you as pres of FIFA has no bearing on wars.  These guys were aiming at a building, sure they were only a couple feet above the ground, but all they had to do was aim at the building, like somebody said before, they didn't fly the entire way 2 ft above the ground.  And I bet if you left 3 more inches on each of those photos, youd have seen a smoldering wreck of an airliner.  As for the confiscation, obviously they're going to take the tapes, to study them and make sure it doesnt happen again.  And Juan Carlo at the gas station really doesnt need it back.  Of course, theres the possibility that the person who made the clip is just talking out his ass.  Either way, I'm going to trust people qualified to tell me things, rather than some conspiracy theorist's completely unqualified statement.
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As i said before, why fake an attack on the pentagon? that wasnt any major event, say do you remember what happend on 9/11 and everyone will mention the twin towers first...

They had zero need to fake an attack on the pentagon, considering taking down the twin towers was more than enough to go to war.

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Everyone loves a conspiracy theory.

I agree with Cromp. There was no need to fake an attack on the Pentagon.

Yanker, go and get a pilots liscence, then tell us how it would be easy to fly a passenger jet into a small target like a building.

I've tried to fly planes into buildings on Flight Sim, and it's quite difficult.

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by Jack at 13th Jun 3:43pm

I've tried to fly planes into buildings on Flight Sim, and it's quite difficult.



lol, its extremly easy on flight sim, just dont try and do it close up, just aim for it when you're a long way away from it (like you would if you was flying a plane)....

by Jack at 13th Jun 3:43pm

Yanker, go and get a pilots liscence, then tell us how it would be easy to fly a passenger jet into a small target like a building.


lol.. erm.. the pentagon is alot wider than a runway?.... so erm... it'd be kinda easy...